Cans Vs. Bottles For Your Beer. Is There Any Damn Difference? Part 1

by Ilya Feynberg on July 20, 2010

Choosing Guinness For This Test? BRILLIANT!

So here’s an interesting one Beerlings…

A few days back I was browsing around on one of my favorite beer blogs BillyBrew and joined in on a “debate” which I oh so love to join. Ok, wait. There was no debate, until I came along, and now it stands as more of a question rather than a debate…screw it whatever…anyway…

Billy wrote up an article named The 5 Strongest Microbrews – In a Can and to be fair it has literally nothing to do with the question of whether or not a can or bottle is better for taste. But again, my mind wonders and so I commented (as usual) and asked Billy his thoughts on the question of whether or not there is any difference what so ever that one could distinguish between two same beers…with one bottled and one canned.

By the way, check out Billy’s post. We both very much believe that craft beer in a can is a great concept! Some of the best craft beers around come in cans and once you get over that initial perception of Crap…errr…I mean Natural Light you’ll start to see that there are actually a crap load of advantages to cans…but not always ;) .

So to get my ADD mind back on track here….

If you’re into beer to any degree, and especially craft beer your immediate response is going to be “well f**king duh there’s going to be a difference” and that was my initial response to. Did it pan out that way though? Let’s take a look…

So for this test (I say test, but if I could do nothing but test drink beers all day I would) I turned to one of my beloved Stouts. Why Guinness of course! Comes in aluminum cans, and dark glass bottles both with that wonderful shaky ball inside. How do they get the ball inside that damn thing? Anyone?

Now before I begin, I must point out that Guinness is one of many that share both bottles and cans for the same beer, and looking back on it, it probably wasn’t the greatest choice, but I was drinking already and there was no turning back now. Hence the “part 1″ as I shall be testing more in the near future.

*QUICK NOTE: Remember! I am NOT exactly what one would call a beer reviewer, so don’t expect those damn near poetic descriptions of tastes, flavors, sensations, and how the taste damn near brought me too a euphoric…*finish the thought*…

So first…the can…the beloved and freakin’ glorious Guinness can:

The Pour

Guinness in a can. Next to Guinness in a glass. I'm going to drink you..

Now there’s a reason they have nicknamed Guinness “the black stuff” over there in jolly ole England. It’s almost blacker than night so there is virtually no way you’ll be able to tell of any color difference what so ever right off the bat…or ever really. But here’s what you do notice with when pouring this rich frothy goodness of a Stout into your pint glass…

It’s pours quickly (pour it right!) and smoothly. Head forms easily and stays thick through out. This was one of the biggest difference’s between the bottle and the canned one. A thick, ever lasting fluffy cream colored head. Other than this, as far as first pour impressions go…that’s it.

The First Taste

The First Taste...well not the first...

If you’ve ever had a Guinness…and if you’re reading this blog than you almost certainly have…than you know the taste well. Remember, I’m not exactly that type of “reviewer”, and this post isn’t exactly meant to review the key notes in the beer. There are better stouts out there yes, and many complain about the canned version not even coming close to the taste and feel on tap but I personally like this stout even in a can. Though I have to fully agree, nothing beats the way that it’s meant to be drunk, on tap, in a pint and at a pub.

So in getting to it, it taste like Guinness, though not exactly as it should. It feels a bit more watered down if you will, and the head stay as thick and “a float” on top as it normally does. It’s also missing some of the full flavor that one expects out of a pint of Guinness. Quality isn’t exactly on par with that from a keg and on tap, but that’s not what this post is about now is it? Let’s see how it stacks up against the bottle version.

Lacing

Not nearly as much thick lacing as you find in a pub on draft :(

Now you might not think that lacing would be very important in this little test, but I think it’s more indicative of the quality difference and the way the beer is kept between bottle and can. You’ll see further down in the bottle version why I make a notice of lacing. If you don’t have a good idea of what lacing is or no clue what so ever. BillyBrew’s Beer Blog puts it perfectly: “Beer lacing adds to the appearance of a beer. A pattern of foam that clings to the glass is a beautiful sight to behold.”

I can’t say that lacing is something that I pay extreme attention to generally, but in this test, there was indeed a difference between the two versions, and I thought it would be right to make note of it. Whats the difference between the two? You’ll see further down so pay close attention to the picture, but the canned version had thinner, almost more runny and non stick lacing. Wasn’t exactly a great sign for this type of brew.

AND NOW…drum roll please…the slender black can with far more writing and label covering than needed…and which totally hides the beer from view and takes away from the experience…

The Pour

Guinness in a bottle. This beer ain't meant for no damn bottle...

Now this isn’t the first time I’ve talked about this (it is on this blog) but I don’t like the idea of Guinness in a bottle. I’ve only had it a couple of times in the bottle and now I remember why I’ve only had it a few times this way.

Now first of all, this isn’t a beer that’s meant to be drunk out of a bottle (not talking about the Extra Stout) in my opinion, and the design of the bottle itself kills the experience if you’re drinking right out of it. Whats with all that damn plastic wrapping around the damn thing? It hides EVERYTHING! And yes, that matters.

It ends up pouring more or less the same with one slight difference. I noticed during the pour that it seems to be just SLIGHTLY lighter in color, and just barely a bit thinner in it’s pour. Once settled, I quickly came to notice the head of the beer. It’s not as thick, not as fluffy and not as creamy. It’s actually thinner. But why?

The First Taste

Guinness in thee bottle...not me cup of beer...

This is about where all the disappointment kicked right in. Taste…what taste? Seriously folks, there isn’t much to write about here towards it’s taste. There really wasn’t much of any flavor, depth or thickness to the beer. It really did feel thin, very watery and virtually tasteless. The only flavor came from the still some what creamy head (that didn’t sound right…at all).

This was actually pretty damn annoying and I was a bit disappointed in Guinness for this as I personally feel that they have sacrificed quality for the sake of marketing and $$$.

Oh well…

Lacing

Lacing was MUCH better however than with the canned version

This is the only area that bottle some what “won out” in my opinion over the can. Though of course lacing alone won’t make a beer…from from it actually.

The lacing was far more “stick to the sides of the glass type” and thicker than that of the can. I really don’t know why this is so if someone knows the reasons behind this comment on it please.

In the case with the bottled version, it stuck to glass in big “globs” all the way until the finish. Where as the canned version did not. Interesting…

So…um…now what and who gives a crap?

Well you read it did you not? ;)

Really this was more of an interest and little research project inspired by Billy Brews blog post in regards to craft beer in cans. It was interesting to note the difference but I feel that I choose the wrong beer for this. But what’s done is done and part two will probably be along the lines of a IPA, Pilsner, or Lager. Guinness just really isn’t the beer for this…

…HOWEVER…There were pretty significant difference between this the bottled version and the canned version. And while this beer is still best enjoyed on tap (by a long shot), choose the can if you must. The bottled version just doesn’t taste like a true Guinness and doesn’t even fully look and pour like one.

But why?

Ah! I don’t have much of a damn clue…so for the “why” portion of this little project I turn to you…my loyal blog readers, followers and fans…*crickets*….

{ 25 comments… read them below or add one }

Billy Broas July 20, 2010 at 10:12 pm

Great job Ilya! In all the hoopla about canned microbrews I totally forgot about Guinness. Ok so it’s not what most people consider “craft beer” but it was the closest thing to it in a can until recently. When you mentioned doing the comparison I thought “Ooohh yeaaa Guinness does come in cans.” So, very clever of you there.

As for the comparison, how ’bout that can? Why the difference? I don’t have a freaking clue. I mean if it tasted like cardboard I’d say that’s because the bottles let more air in and it could be oxidized. But you noticed it being more watery, having less taste, and worse lacing. So who knows? Maybe they brew completely separate batches for the cans and bottles and something is different between them.

Thanks for doing this post and also the kind words about my site. You always bring a spirited voice to the comment section and it’s very much appreciated.

Looking forward to the next comparison. Cheers!
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Ilya Feynberg July 21, 2010 at 5:35 am

@Billy,

Agree with the typical viewpoint on Guinness. It’s not something that’s usually seen as “craft”. I do like Guinness though, especially on draft when server RIGHT. As much as I would have preferred to do a test with a great American craft IPA, or Lager, etc…I couldn’t think of any that were made in both bottles and cans. :(

Ya I have no clue what so ever in regards to the taste. I do have to leave the possibly open that it was an off batch, or that the bottles were not properly kept over time etc, but I was still surprised how bad and virtually tasteless the bottled Guinness was in comparison to the canned. But I think you might be right about them brewing different batches all together. And dare I say, that not all Guinness is made in Ireland? ;)

No problem, I had fun with this one as I do all of them and love your site!

Thanks so much for the comment and more importantly the input! MUCH appreciated!

Ilya

Jason Harris July 21, 2010 at 1:14 am

Guiness is a bit of an oddity, what with that little nitro ball they use to carb it and whatnot. Maybe they use different tech on the can vs. the bottle? A different ball that fits down the neck?!

I’m curious to compare some of these, and I know I’ve seen Fat Tire and Blue Moon in cans. Maybe I’ll pick them up and compare/contrast.
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Ilya Feynberg July 21, 2010 at 5:43 am

@Jason

Thanks so much for your comment, you already have me thinking about some ideas there and some ideas for my next try at this.

You might very well be correct that perhaps there is a “technology” (if you can even call a ball in a bottle that) difference between the two. Again, I would really want to try this again as Guinness wasn’t exactly the best choice for a test like this I think.

I do remember seeing Fat Tire, AND Blue moon in cans somewhere actually now that you bring it up. For the life of me though I can’t remember where and I know for sure I’ve never seen any cans from New Belgium Brewery down here in Dallas at least. Blue Moon though, I JUST might be able to find. Not a huge fan of either beer or brewery, but for a test like this it would serve us all well. :)

For sure let me know if you’re going to run a test like this and can find those beers or something else (other than Coors of course!). I would be happy to help with anything and either way…I would want to see your results!

Thanks so much for your comment!!

Ilya

Stephen Walden July 23, 2010 at 5:51 am

Actually, I have the answers to the question: Can or Bottle version of Guiness. Here we go….In the 16 oz can the “Nitro” widget” is slightly different….it holds more nitro….You can get the same affect as if on tap: First open and hear the interesting noises it makes….Then..Pour “Slowly”…Very slow actually….You will notice that you will see almost “ZERO” black during the pour, only a cream color. It will actually take about 45 seconds to pour correctly. Once you are done with the pour you need to wait about 45 seconds until ready to serve…….you will get the creamy sensation and a great head with lacing (if glass is clean)……In regards to the bottle, simply put, that is actually made to drink “Only” out of the bottle….it is not to be poured…..Hope this may help! Cheers!!!

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Ilya Feynberg July 23, 2010 at 7:12 pm

@Stephen,

AWESOME!!! That makes sense, and I didn’t know half of that. I was actually very perplexed between the drastic taste and look differences between the bottle and the can of Guinness during this test. This goes a way to explain it and I know of plenty of folks that would love to know this information, so I’ll forward this comment on to them too.

In hind sight Guinness wasn’t the right beer for this test, but I’m not complaining that I have to do this test all over again with something new ;)

Two questions for you if you know about Guinness:

1. Does the idea that Guinness should be served extra cold hold true to bringing out more of the creamy texture?

2. Do you know if their is a difference in brewing the batches made for bottles, cans or kegs at all?

Thanks for the answers and the awesome Comment Stephen! :)

Ilya
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Stephen Walden July 23, 2010 at 8:20 pm

Actually it is a little tricky to answer the question about if it is all the same beer : keg vs bottle vs can. Technically, yes, it should be but once again there are different levels of nitrogen depending on which one.

In regards if it should be served extra cold, for your standard Guinness, No…..42 degrees is the proper temp. BUT there is a version of Guinness called “Extra Cold” which is actually the same damned beer…..just served “Extra Cold”. I assume that when served extra cold that it will give a creamier mouth feel but you will lose some flavor.

Billy Broas July 24, 2010 at 12:06 am

@Stephen Thanks for sharing that. You sir are a Guinness expert. Great info.
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JB December 21, 2010 at 7:26 pm

Greetings.

Actually, my understanding is that the bottle is not supposed to be poured…the little device works by releasing nitrogen with each sip when you turn the bottle over…

So, it makes sense that the can would be better. The bottle is meant for when you don’t have a glass available.

Best,
-JB

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Ilya Feynberg December 22, 2010 at 7:18 pm

@JB

Thanks for the comment!

Yup, that’s what I’ve been hearing more and more, and reading about more and more. I even did a bit a research after this post a while back and Guinness even says that themselves.

So you’re totally right, bottled Guinness just isn’t meant to be poured. You really can tell the difference too, it’s not IN YOUR FACE type of different, but plenty different enough. Personally not a fan of Guinness in bottles.

Thanks again for the comment JB! Come back any time! :)

Ilya

D LARSEN December 31, 2010 at 9:50 pm

The other night I was actually drinking Guinness bottle, and decided to do a taste test compared to the can. The difference was huge and is the reason I ended up on this site. The canned Guinness was richer tasting, almost a faint bit coffee-ish. I’m no pro, just me and my taste buds.

I would like to ask this. Guinness bought in liquor stores in Canada say “Brewed in Ireland”, represented “Diageo (?) Canada”. So, my question is whether this is misleading and while yes Guinness is an Irish product, does the Canadian representative brew the product I am buying here?

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Ilya Feynberg January 2, 2011 at 6:32 am

@D Larsen

Firstly, thanks SO much for this comment! Totally awesome! :)

I had the SAME exact experience between the cans and the bottles, as you can read about if you want to in the post above. The bottle just seemed…well…nothing like Guinness should REALLY be like.

Then again, from all the comments that came forth after I wrote this article, and a lot of them coming from extremely beer smart folk, I understand that the bottle was never meant to be poured, but simply drunk out of. Also, the taste has something to do with completely different nitrogen levels.

As to your question….

I’m honestly not 100% sure on that one, so let me go off and ask a few folks. I know a few people that are sure to know this.

I THINK that the product that we get here in North America isn’t exactly from Ireland. Same recipe and process etc, but with some subtle differences…big ones like water etc. I think that batches might be brewed here in the North America.

BUT don’t quote me on this just yet, as I’m honestly not 100% sure. I’ll look into this for you though and shoot you an email and let you know. It’s also very possible that the “represented Canada” logo could just be a branding or import thing and that your product is indeed coming from Ireland.

Look out for an email though!

And of course…thanks SO much for the comment!! :)

Ilya

Ilya Feynberg January 2, 2011 at 6:38 pm

@D Larsen

I just pulled up some information, and asked around, and Guinness is currently brewed all over the world, and the Diageo is the parent company that manufactures the beer.

Hope that helps! :)

Ilya

Stephen January 2, 2011 at 7:57 am

Guinness is brewed at many locations throughout the world but to clarify something in regards to the recipe, water from practically anywhere can be duplicated as long as you know PH levels, minerals, ect….

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Ilya Feynberg January 2, 2011 at 6:43 pm

@Stephen – THANKS! I didn’t know that about the water, I guess tech today has given us that ability these days. Have you had ever had Guinness from the real brewery in Ireland? Do you know if there’s a taste and or consistency difference in the beer compared to what we get over here?

@D Larsen if Stephen says so, then it’s probably correct. He seriously knows his stuff, and I actually remember talking to him about this at one point or another.

Thanks Stephen!

Ilya

Stephen January 2, 2011 at 8:00 pm

Have I had a Guinness from Ireland???? The answer would be “No”….But to answer your question about if it is different, I have had this conversation before with other beer pro’s that have traveled there and they say it is very similar….One of the differences is that they pour it the proper way in most Irish pubs and the pour in a Guinness can make all the difference in the world for overall enjoyment.

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Ilya Feynberg January 3, 2011 at 1:38 am

@Stephen – I really want to, I can’t wait to visit the brewery one day…hell the whole country, and there’s so much more than JUST Guinness as far as beer is concerned.

You know, it’s interesting that you bring up the pour, because every time I order a Guinness, it’s INSTANTLY recognizable when it’s not poured properly, or at the very least some what properly. I’ve only had perfectly poured Guinness on a few occasions…one place being an incredible Irish pub in Seattle Washington called Kells. The difference is incredible, it really brings out so much more in the beer then you can ever hope experience in an improperly poured pint.

On the locations by the way, according to Guinness, the ones that go to the UK, Ireland, and North America are brewed in Ireland. Just had a friend Tweet that out to me: http://www.guinness.com/en-us/faqs.html

Check out the last FAQ pretty interesting stuff!

Ilya

Bob Gre May 22, 2011 at 8:56 pm

I am new to dark beers…most of my life I have been drinking “water for beer”….bad anerican beers…..great info…thanks to all.
What is the dif between stout and extra stout?

Bob

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Ilya Feynberg May 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm

@Bob

Thanks for the comment! Glad to see you make it over to the dark side of beers! Both literally and figuratively ;) .

That’s a great question and one that I’m honestly at a loss for. BUT I have some great fella’s that I can ask. Let me ask…and I shall keep you posted and let you know :)

Ilya

Stephen Walden May 24, 2011 at 5:59 pm

I would also like to remind everyone that Guinness is not the only stout around. There are thousands out there to try and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if you find several you like better then a Guinness. Most are a different monster and there are very few nitrogen infused stouts to begin with. Some people don’t like the fact that nitrogen had to be added to Guinness draught to simulate “body” of Guinness, this is just not a naturally occurring process in beer. Most stouts in the world have an actual “Real” body due to the simple ingredients used.

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Ilya Feynberg May 25, 2011 at 2:16 pm

@Stephen

I completely agree with this statement Stephen. I LOVE Guinness. Not just because I like the beer itself, but because of it’s history etc.

That being said, I’ve found so many more amazing stouts that I prefer to Guinness in terms of taste, consistency, complexity etc.

There are thousands out there…go out there, and enjoy them all! Try everything thing at least once :)

P.S. @Bob – I’m willing to bet that if you’re a Guinness lover, you’ll love Milk Stout’s. I’m not sure where you are in the country, but you should give Left Hand Milk Stout a try or the Milk Stout from Lancaster Brewery if you can get your hands on it.

Good luck!

Ilya

Ilya Feynberg July 23, 2010 at 10:29 pm

@Stephen, again thank you! Great insight into this!

The different level’s of nitrogen in each can, bottle, and keg make sense. And while the batches are “technically” supposed to be the same, there is a definite difference between the three in terms of taste, look, and lacing. But again you’ve already touched on why. Thank you for that!

I like how you used “damned beer” ;) …get it? LOL That’s also something that is EASILY noticeable even from the same keg, bottle or can, by that I mean the temp. that the beer is served at. I’m not sure which I prefer more with a pint of Guinness…a colder pint, or a slightly warmer one. Both have their advantages I suppose.

Ilya

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Ilya Feynberg July 24, 2010 at 3:07 am

@Billy,

Stephen REALLY knows his stuff! Even has some brewing experience if I’m not mistaken. :)

Ilya

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Stephen Walden May 24, 2011 at 5:51 pm

Whats the difference between a stout and extra stout? Well, it’s as the name says, “Extra” but once again, it is only a descriptor some breweries tend to use. Take Guinness for example. They have their most popular Draught which is a nitrogen infused dry stout, then here in the US, they released their “Extra” which is a bigger stout then the draught and it is carbonated. Then, you have the new Foriegn Extra (different versions around the world of this beer) which is basically what one might call an “Imperial Stout”….once again, carbonated. The “Extra’s” have a larger malt bill which also in turn increases the ABV%…….so simply put, the Extra stout is just a bigger stout. More flavor, more body and darker in appearance.

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Ilya Feynberg May 25, 2011 at 2:09 pm

@Stephen

Dude you’re awesome! As always, thank you! I was actually hoping for you to chime in on this.

I’ve actually saved that information to my hard drive. You’re a treasure trove of information. I never knew any of that. Thank you! :)

Ilya

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